Includes 5 great tips for anyone who lives with Type 1 Diabetes

Jacob’s Type 1 diagnosis story is far from a typical one and certainly unlike any that I have heard of.
In this very honest interview Jacob shares his story and how his life, and his mindset, have changed over the past decade.
Make sure you listen until the end as Jacob also shares 5 pieces of great advice for anyone who lives with Type 1 Diabetes.

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Life with diabetes has some highs and lows, just like in a normal life. You can make choices which help to make your life easier, improve your health and wellbeing in the diabetic and healthy podcast. We show you how to do just that. We're here to help you put your diabetes worries behind so that you can start enjoying life with a sky high smile on your face. So let's meet our host for today's show is Charlotte.

Charlotte (00:00:28):
Hi, and welcome back to another episode of the diabetic and healthy podcast. I do hope everyone is doing well and as always, thank you so, so much for tuning in and listening. So I've got very special. Your stories episode for you today. I am talking to Jacob Webber, AKA kinetic diabetic. So Jacob is living and working in Kuala Lumpur and he has had type one diabetes for about 10 years now. So I won't tell you too much, but Jacob talks all about his diagnosis story, which is really, really unique is it's a new one on me. I've never had anything like this. So yeah, really interesting diagnosis story. Um, Jacob also talks about how his mindset has changed over the years towards his diabetes. And then he finishes the interview by giving some really, really fantastic diabetes advice. Um, before we get into that, just a quick reminder about diabetic and healthy on social media.

Speaker 2 (00:01:34):
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Speaker 1 (00:02:19):
Hi Jacob. How are you? Hey Charlotte. I'm very good. Thank you. How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (00:02:24):
Wow, thank you. So thank you so much for coming on today and

Speaker 1 (00:02:28):
Agreeing to talk on the podcast. No, of course my pleasure. I'm flattered to have been asked. So thank you for, for having me. Oh, you are very welcome. Um,

Speaker 2 (00:02:38):
You were diagnosed type one about 10 years ago.

Speaker 1 (00:02:42):
Yeah, exactly. So I'm 29 now. Soon to be the big three zero in December, actually. It's not far away. And I was diagnosed just after I turned 20. So that was what, 2011 January, right in the middle of my first year at university.

Speaker 3 (00:03:00):
Wasn't ideal timing. I mean, I guess a diabetes diagnosis is never ideal timing, but this one was particularly painful. Right, right. At that crunch time in my first year at unit. So yeah, coming up, coming up 10 years, the decade diverse. Do you know what? I, I don't actually know when my diversity is

Speaker 4 (00:03:19):
Neither do I, I saw this on your Instagram and everyone like has this date and I'm like, no idea,

Speaker 3 (00:03:26):
Not a clue. Do you know roughly when yours was like, where, what, where would you actually

Speaker 4 (00:03:31):
Along? It was a few weeks after my 18th birthday. Okay. Um, probably a couple of weeks after, so my birthday is 4th of July. So I'm guessing mid July, about 15 years ago. So

Speaker 3 (00:03:46):
Time flies when you're having, can I say having diabetes? Yeah. When you have a chronic condition time really passes you by yeah. Coming up 10 years. It's interesting. 10 years at that, for sure.

Speaker 4 (00:04:00):
So going back, what was going on in the lead up to your diagnosis? Was it, um, was it all very extreme and fast or was there kind of a gradual buildup?

Speaker 3 (00:04:12):
Well, I wasn't actually, I, I, my diagnosis story from what I've heard so far is a little bit different to most in that I got one of, I guess what's considered a classic symptom, but not one of the most popular symptoms. Right. You've always heard about weight loss and thirst and extreme fatigue and exhaustion and so on by diagnosis came about because, and this, this is where it gets a little bit personal, but you want, that's why we're here. Um, is I developed thrush actually. So I got a yeast infection in a, in a most private and precious place. And it was because of the excess sugar in my urine. And at the time I'm a first year university. And when something happens to you down there, your natural thought is not, is not diabetes. You think something a bit more sinister is happening. So I had no idea and, and to be quite Frank, like what I thought it could have been, wouldn't have made sense at the time.

Speaker 3 (00:05:05):
Let's just say that, that wasn't an option. So, but I, I had no symptoms. I wasn't tired. I wasn't thirsty. I wasn't, um, I wasn't losing weight. I mean, I've always been quite skinny. So weight loss, wasn't a thing, but yes, I got, I got thrush and I went down to the local sexual health clinic and they swapped me and poked me and stopped me with various needles and everything else and did that. And they came back and they said, yeah, you'll find you, haven't got chlamydia. Great. But you do have diabetes not. And I was like, what can I trade that? Like, what would suit? I just have the chlamydia, please. I can believe the guy. I was like once. And he was like, yeah, your sugar levels are off the charts. I think, I think at the time I will have been reading a little bit in reading, like above 30, 30 moles.

Speaker 3 (00:05:56):
And, uh, I just, I didn't believe the guy. I was just, I know you must be, you must be joking. So I pulled my trousers up and went back to my holes and probably drank a beer and didn't think anything of it. But he just, before I left, he said that he would pass on my details to the local, uh, specialist clinic in Newcastle. So I was at university of Newcastle and they've got a specialist diabetes center up there. And a week later I was on my way to my Spanish lecture. And I got a call from an unknown number. So is this Jacob speaking? Hi, who's this? And I was like, this is, this is dr. So and so from the diabetes specialist clinic, we need you to drop everything you have and stop whatever you're doing and come to us immediately.

Speaker 4 (00:06:37):
I'm surprised that he didn't like that, that hadn't happened quicker because if you're up in the thirties, it's like, yeah. How are you still walking around?

Speaker 3 (00:06:45):
I, I think, I think we'll come, we'll come back to this point maybe later on. Cause I, part of me thinks I'm a medical miracle. The other part of me says, don't be sick, buddy arrogant. But I mean, I really, I, I really didn't have any other signs, symptoms, signals, warnings, anything. I had no clue what was going on. Um, they said they had drop everything and come straight away. And my first reaction was, nah, I can't, I've got lectures. I'm far too busy looking back. I realized it was the first time in my life. And I imagined many other people's lives to where I tried to use school as an, as a way to get out of the doctors

Speaker 4 (00:07:25):
Opposite.

Speaker 3 (00:07:26):
Yeah. And sadly, it didn't work. And so less than two hours later, I was coming out of the credit with, with the goal, my gear with my needles, my incident, my test strips, my glucose meter. And that was it. That was the rest of my life, all of a sudden over and done with. So, so the leap, the leader is a, it, isn't a very interesting one in that there is, there really wasn't one like the whole before and after diabetes thing can really be, be distilled into a morning's work. Yeah, that was weirdly though. There was, there was a blood test I took when I was about 18 or 19. Um, when the family was looking to move back to Malaysia, which is where I live now, I'm based in Kuala Lumpur. And my family lived out here, back in the nineties anyway. So we move up applying for a family visa for what you need, medical history and checkups and whatnot, medical screening.

Speaker 3 (00:08:16):
And I took a blood test, then a fasting blood test. And I just remember the doctors flagging to my parents that my sugars were even for fasting or no, it was because I was supposed to fast, but being a rebellious teenager, I snuck a count of seven up in the middle just because I wanted to drink. And so we were like, Oh, it must've been a seven up. And the doctor was like, no, like these are actually quite high. You need to look at these. And for some reason we just didn't, I don't know why, um,

Speaker 4 (00:08:46):
Down to the fact that you hadn't fasted. Yeah,

Speaker 3 (00:08:48):
Exactly, exactly. So we just thought it couldn't be how bad can it really be? Um, and so that was when I was eating and then two, over two years later I was diagnosed. So I imagined it was a long time coming. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But I honestly had no idea. Like, I, I, I couldn't pinpoint any particular point in my life where I'd been exhausted or thirsty or whatever the evidence might suggest that I, that I was undiagnosed for quite some time. But I think because I was quite active, maybe I was burning just enough sugar to stay alive, to help Keith, to stay walking the lead up to the diagnosis itself and the aftermath. Yeah. It will all happen very, very quickly.

Speaker 4 (00:09:34):
Wow. I was going to say, normally is a case of people getting extremely ill and Oh, I'm going into

Speaker 3 (00:09:41):
That's it all of a sudden they have, yeah. They have noticed they have noticeable weight loss. They're just shedding pounds in, in days or that they are so thirsty. They can't sleep. Cause they're getting up in the middle of the night down water. And I honestly can't think of a time when that was the case for me.

Speaker 4 (00:09:58):
Fantastic. That's crazy. Yeah. I was, I was drinking 40 pints of squash on the lead up to my dog.

Speaker 3 (00:10:05):
Oh yeah. Well squash is still your thing. Isn't it, [inaudible] love a bit of squash, 40, 40 pints.

Speaker 4 (00:10:16):
And I, and I'd lost three and a half stone. So I was like a classic, but, but it was still a long period. Mine was over about five years, but I got, yeah, I got extremely poorly.

Speaker 3 (00:10:28):
Wow. You're lucky. And there was no, there was no intervention during those five years. What did you guys keep?

Speaker 4 (00:10:37):
He's a very, very bad doctor. Really? Yes. Oh yeah. So I was constantly in the doctor's like, I'm still losing weight. Like I'm eating like an absolute animal and I'm still losing weight. Okay.

Speaker 3 (00:10:49):
And they just couldn't, they couldn't pin it down.

Speaker 4 (00:10:52):
Uh, it was, Oh, you've obviously got an eating disorder or you've yeah. That's like a, that's like a whole other,

Speaker 3 (00:11:01):
Yeah. That's a different conversation. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:11:04):
But um, yeah. Yeah. My symptoms were very like extreme towards the end, so yeah. Hopefully it's a sign that your body was so fit and healthy. It was somehow dealing with it.

Speaker 3 (00:11:16):
Maybe I'd like to tell you what let's, let's say that let's, let's, let's, we're going to, we're going to go into, I've decided I have literally a walking medical model module. Um, but even, even post diagnosis, like for awhile, I was on just to be quite honest, the, the, the, certainly the immediate aftermath, like the, well, not even the immediate, I guess the first year or two years after I was diagnosed was a real kind of rollercoaster with, with figuring out how exactly to treat me because they couldn't figure out how I'd been walking around like this that you say. So they, they put me on different regimens for, I was on the type of incident. Now I can't even remember the name of, and that was just like once a day at the morning, all night. So it could have been Bazell

Speaker 2 (00:12:02):
It's like indexed, you can be on like a mixed,

Speaker 3 (00:12:06):
Maybe it was even, there was a time, even that I responded, I responded so well to that, or almost too well that they put me on Metformin, which is for type two diabetes for a while they thought maybe I had Modi or 1.5 or even a particularly aggressive, whatever that means type type of type two. So I was, and then they put me on Metformin for a few months and I responded quite well for like the first few weeks. And then that gave up, I think I was still somehow on the, in the honeymoon phase, you know? So, so my body was responding well to the treatment, but ultimately I think it was about maybe five years ago that they finally said right now you've got to go on your base and then your bolus and do your proper pop the regimen now. But yeah, for a while they just, they just couldn't quite figure out what the, what the business,

Speaker 2 (00:12:50):
It was almost like your body was still maybe producing some insulin.

Speaker 3 (00:12:54):
I think. So I think it's just like literally the last vapors left in my system, but, um, yeah, it took a long time to figure out just what was going on. Um, but now I'm finding that you can't really get around the fact that I need my, you know, I need my two times a day and sort of on my basil and my bogus and things now we're pretty, pretty set.

Speaker 2 (00:13:16):
Cool. So what, what were your thoughts initially when they said diabetes? Did you know anything about diabetes?

Speaker 3 (00:13:25):
Honestly, like, no. Like when the guy, when the doctor, um, first told me the clinic after he'd done my tests, I dunno, I called my, I called my mum straight away and was like, yeah, I might have diabetes. And I didn't even quite know what I was saying. I knew it was bad. And I, I don't know. I don't even know what I think I know in that the only exposure I kind of had to, it was like pop culture references, you know, there's horrible, stupid jokes that they have on TV and movies and things, which are a big, like bigger pain point for me these days is a real, they will really bug me. But I think even at that point, I would have known just about that. Um, just that it was something to do with sugar. Um, it turns out my, my maternal grandparents, uh, grandmothers both had diabetes and I wasn't aware of this at the time.

Speaker 3 (00:14:17):
We weren't, uh, like kind of aware of that condition. So it was something being, being South Asian. And unfortunately we are slightly more likely statistically to get to, to develop diabetes and because of the way that our genes Roman processing carbs or whatever it is, I'm not sure. So we, we weren't even aware that it was prevalent in the family, much less what it, what it meant for me. Um, so my first thought was just kind of like a disbelief, but born out of ignorance, I guess, just more being like, what, what does this actually mean? And then when they, then when I went to the clinic, when I went to the specialist clinic and they said, right here, where your needles, here's your insulin. You have to do this three times a day. All of us that snapped me back to reality very quickly.

Speaker 3 (00:15:01):
This is actually really serious. That was terrifying. But the funny thing is I can't actually remember much of that first. It was a real whirlwind. Like I walk into the clinic and they run into the, into this, into the doctor's office. And all of a sudden they emerge blinking an hour later, like with an armful of needles in it and a head full of questions, as I say, and I just have no idea what was going on. So it didn't quite register until it, until it was made clear to me that I had to like inject myself every single day. Like it was when they said, there's not really a cure for this. There is only, you can control it. You can't cure it. And that was what was kind of like, ah, crap. This is real. This is really, yeah, this is it. So it's a very good question. My, my third, my first thought was, was kind of disbelief, but almost more disliked, confusion, I guess, complete confusion.

Speaker 2 (00:15:56):
And from there, where did you Vango for support or information or advice? Like, what was your next step? So you've got out of there. You've got all your insulin. Did you start Googling? Did you go? Cause I know when I was diagnosed, like I didn't even have the internet, so

Speaker 3 (00:16:15):
Wow. You're giving you all your [inaudible]

Speaker 2 (00:16:21):
No justice, we're rural, nothing to do with my age.

Speaker 3 (00:16:24):
Of course they connect you the connection and doses. I don't think I did actually. Not that much. I had Googled. In fact, what had sent me down to get really checked out in the first place was obviously the, the, the, the, the, the infection was becoming again, without putting too fine or graphic appointment, the infection was becoming too difficult to like, ignore it would go away, but it didn't. So I was Googling those symptoms and diabetes kind of came up, but I was like, Oh, I couldn't possibly do that. It must be something else. But after it was confirmed, I didn't go back and start looking at everything straight away. I just kind of, I just kind of tried to absorb everything they'd said, which was tough because it was a lot. And then just put myself into, I don't really know. I guess I put myself into sort of like diabetes mode.

Speaker 3 (00:17:16):
Like I was like, right. I've everywhere I go now. And I've got to, I've got to take my pen and take my testing strips, but I wasn't doing it out of love for myself. If that makes sense. I was doing it with extreme resentment and bitterness and hatred in my very heart. I was, I was so miserable, but it just, I was like, I was just going through the motions, just getting, getting, getting things done. I was right now, I need to do this. And I still have a huge phobia of needles. I'll try to get up. I've got multiple tattoos. I've got, uh, I've had how many blood tests over years. I don't know, but there's just with injecting myself now. I'm okay. But there's just something about needles, like getting the flu job. I'm still squeamish as hell. So, yeah, but the first few, definitely the first few years of, of, of my diabetes, since my diagnosis, I really struggled with like, injecting. So it was, it was

Speaker 4 (00:18:08):
Sitting in psyching yourself up to do it.

Speaker 3 (00:18:11):
Yeah. Absolutely finding different ways of doing it. Like I learned that if you, if you scratch, scratch the site where you're about to inject, like it kind of deflects the pain away from it a little bit, all these little, I pinch myself and all these weird little things I've tried to be, but yeah, it was a real, uh, it was a real, a Herculean task sometimes just to even get the needle in. So I didn't, I, I didn't go to the internet or there was a few, there were a few followup sessions with the clinic, um, for newly diagnosed patients, but I didn't find them particularly useful because again, I, I was sitting in a room with people he will talk to about the same symptoms, about the same diagnosis story, about the same, um, even the same support system. Cause some of them had been brought there by husbands, wives, parents, or parents or whatever it wasn't relatable at all.

Speaker 3 (00:18:56):
Yeah. And I was like, um, I'm looking around and I'm like, I'm a 20 year old student. Who's in his first year in fresh this year. God damn it. And then he's gotta watch his health and he's got a, he's got this, he's got this chronic condition. Like I didn't relate to any of you. So for support, I just, I just kind of stumped my feet and beat my fists a little bit and made a big fuss. And my friends were there for me and my, my parents were great, but I think I just kind of adopted this new kind of, you know, well, I'm diabetic now. So it's sort of like, I didn't take positive steps towards like educating myself. I was, I write this and just stop, stop, stop this, this, this no sugar. So I went clean Turkey from sugar and chocolate for like six weeks, which was horrific. But I just thought I've really got to just face this head on, but it wasn't, um, it wasn't with, yeah, I think it was without the positive intention.

Speaker 4 (00:19:56):
So anyone who happens to know your Instagram say kinetic diabetic, that's now beeping thing, nervous. The different person, your Instagram is so inspiring and you're clearly living like such a healthy lifestyle. You're really into your workouts. You've got some really cool food videos going on.

Speaker 3 (00:20:18):
Oh, that was a bit I got, I got good at the food videos during lockdown, especially like that was a time to practice my skills.

Speaker 4 (00:20:25):
Yeah. Looking at that, it's like, well, this is someone that's like, they've got it under control. They've got a positive mindset.

Speaker 3 (00:20:32):
No, I try that. That's a very good question. That's honestly a very, very new thing. That's only within the last, I'd say two years, um, only two years. So like my, my, the new me, if you like, if I could call it, that is, it's still very much like a new thing. Because up until like the first couple of years of, of post diagnosis, I would say were a blur. Like I couldn't, I couldn't tell you which regimen I was on or whether it was that mix of Humalog or whatever else. It was just going through the motions, just, just waiting until my next six month checkup and just testing my blood every so often because really my, my self care in the first few, few, definitely first few months, and even certainly in the first few years was really a passive, shall we say?

Speaker 3 (00:21:19):
Um, but I, I was clearly, I was getting better. I think I was getting better, but I, I, there was still this huge part of me, which rejected the idea of being diabetic. It's all, um, as much, you know, cause cause you know, no days off and all of this, it goes, it does vary sometimes. So the connected diabetic was born out of a few things happening at the same time, one and an a major one, which I haven't actually quite figured out how to do properly yet is the fact that in Malaysia, um, diabetes type two mostly is like a public health crisis out here. Many of the, uh, the, you know, without, without, um, without kind of denigrating Malaysia too much here. Cause I don't, I don't want it to sound as if I'm stalking them off completely, but like the a, there's a huge cultural thing here around a love of food and a relative lack of exercise and the food itself, the food is amazing.

Speaker 3 (00:22:16):
I can in a few countries, but that's the, that's the case, but here it seems to be, um, certainly I think Malaysia, yeah, Malaysia is actually the most obese nation in Southeast Asia. Um, and it's got some stiff competition, but we, you know, w w w we're at the top of the tree and it's because really what makes our food so amazing. And it really, really is amazing. That is also what makes it so bad typically, which is the case again, for a lot of foods, the world over, but here, it just, there's a particularly vicious combination of saturated fat and sugar and carb, carb, and Hong Kong, Hong Kong. So, and I realized this only really when I came back. So I would, I came, I grew up in Malaysia for a few years. I was living here in the early nineties and I came back here four years ago and I realized that it wasn't really part of the conversation.

Speaker 3 (00:23:06):
It's, it's almost, it's, it's, it's honestly seen almost as such a part of life that you just, you just expect you'll get it, you know, honestly. Yeah. It's just, everyone has an uncle or a father or some, some elderly relative who's who was inevitably type two diabetic. And there is that sense of inevitability to the point where they just, they just have that pills. They didn't, they didn't change anything about the habits, their lifestyle, their diet, they just take their pills and manage it as best they can. So I realized there really wasn't much conversation happening. And at the time I wasn't aware of all of this, of this amazing diabetic community that we have on social media. There's a couple of guys, I followed, um, fitness guys who happen to be type one diabetic. So I've been following them for a couple of years and I was always amazed at what they did.

Speaker 3 (00:23:55):
I thought they were perfect role models for like being able to, you know, to, to, to compete at this level and kind of like Chris kind of like Chris Rood and Chris himself, but very similar guys to, you know, being able to compete at that level and not let your condition get in the way and not using no excuses and all the rest of it. So I've been following these guys for a while and I thought, actually, it would be amazing if someone in Malaysia would do that. And it took me a while to figure out that I wanted to do it because I didn't want to come across as basically this, this white savior let's face it. I didn't want to beat like the English guy coming and saying, Hey guys, exactly, exactly. I didn't want to be a, you know, the guy said, you're you, you shouldn't be eating this and you shouldn't be doing that.

Speaker 3 (00:24:35):
So I thought maybe if I flipped the script and just start saying, how look I'm I'm diabetic, this is how my life, um, it might be a more positive, positive angle. Oh, sorry. I just got off. Um, and I'd known on a personal level. I was interested in doing something on social media, away from my personal, uh, you know, my personal Instagram feed. Um, I, um, my day job is copywriting and content writing. And I've been into that for quite a while. And I used to do a lot of sort of freelance travel writing, like articles and blogs and whatnot for different people. So I thought for awhile, maybe I'm going to create this, this extra Instagram account or this extra thing, like a blog, maybe, maybe it's going to be travel writing. Maybe it's going to be a lifestyle writing, like bar, restaurant reviews and kale, whatever.

Speaker 3 (00:25:21):
And then I realized actually, what you're really missing here is it staring straight in the face? Like you have this thing, which very few people are talking about. And very few people even have, and fitness has always been a huge part of my life and a personal passion of mine. Now, I'm always very quick to like put a huge disclaimer on my stuff saying I'm not qualified. I'm not a certified PT. Like I've not done so much as a, as, as an online course, much less be, you know, qualified or, um, or advanced enough to, to, to coach anybody far from it. But, you know, I've been, I've been working out for as long as I've been diabetic, I guess. Luckily there's, I got really into the gym just as I was diagnosed there wasn't the cause of it. That was just a nice thing that happened at the right time.

Speaker 3 (00:26:06):
So I thought I've got, you know, I've got 10 years of experience with diabetes and I've got 10 years of experience kind of working out. Like just, just, just show them, just show them what it's, what it's like, I guess. And it was as much a, it was as much an exercise for me as it was for anybody else. I really didn't. I really didn't go into it thinking, you know, I want to re I want to get to X, many followers, or I want to, you know, create this particular type of content. I suppose. I didn't really have any of those on my agenda. I just wanted to do it as almost an exercise in self control or like to hold myself accountable. It's quite like, it's an interesting exercise. Like, uh, even when I'm writing my captions and I'm talking about, uh, whether it's mental health or whether it's physical exercise or, or whatever it might be, it's, it's like, you're, you're reaffirming your own belief in whatever it is in whatever it is you're writing.

Speaker 3 (00:27:00):
So I found that like a really interesting exercise and keeping myself accountable and, and, and yeah, and, and putting, and putting it out there because a lot of my, all of my close friends, of course, and a few others besides know that, um, yeah, especially if I, now that I'm diabetic, but I, I used to keep it from a lot of people I used to, um, I used to hide it deliberately. I used to be quite embarrassed about it. Actually. I didn't want to make a first, I didn't want to put anybody 20 and necessarily trouble or be a burden. You know, I want us to just get on, I want us to go out with my friends and not have the Maury about getting the sugar or nothing like that. So I just hit it and then wanting to be normal. Yeah, exactly. Big, big speech marks, but yet, um, and so I, then I realized that as much as it does not define me, it doesn't define anybody.

Speaker 3 (00:27:49):
It's still a part of our lives, which we should be more upfront perhaps, uh, about, about having to deal with. So I thought, why, well, this is, this is my persona now. And I'm going to say persona, it sounds fake, but I guess what I mean is I realized that I have a story to tell, I have a message to do without something like a buddy prophet, but I have, like, I have a message to deliver, I suppose. Like, I want to show people that you can be type, you can be diabetic and, and, and, and, and it dare I say, it look like this or, or, or move like this, or do you just do this in general? I know. And the, the, the thing that I'm lacking and I must admit at the minute is as much as I wanted to tell it, to turn it into a sort of an awareness builder for Malaysia, the issue here is of course, that it's all type two diabetes.

Speaker 3 (00:28:38):
And like, there aren't too many type two diabetic fitness accounts out there for possibly obvious reasons I should say. Um, so I'm maybe I'm missing the target market I set out to so far, but it's been a really, really amazing experience. I think, like I said, I had no idea that this community existed online before, and it's just awesome. I mean, look, look, look at, look at us now. Like I never, I never expected, I never, like, I knew that I wanted to do something with this. I knew that I wanted to get somewhere, but I, I, I still didn't think I would. You know, so even getting the chance to meet you and speak to you and share this story is, is wonderful. So thank you again, by the way, just for

Speaker 2 (00:29:17):
Honestly, I'll say welcome. I love that people are willing to come on and share their stories because well, like you've just proven not everyone's story is the same. And, you know, just by hearing other people's stories, it's like, Oh yeah, like I'm not the only one that had that. Or, or, you know, there's probably people out there now thinking exactly the same as you, like, they haven't found a relatable story because don't tick all those boxes

Speaker 4 (00:29:42):
Of

Speaker 3 (00:29:43):
Yeah. And things like that. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (00:29:47):
Is hopefully helping other people.

Speaker 3 (00:29:49):
I hope so. I hope so. I hope so. Cause that's, that's what I've found has helped me the most by far, he, even the, uh, seeing the way that all of the accounts that I follow, like interact with one another and just how relatable each and every moment with diabetes can really, really be and how you see so many people out there just doing an absolutely amazing job of just getting them achieving amazing things and getting, just getting shit done. You know, it's a, it's a community that I'm very, very happy to have found. And I hope that, um, I can, I can continue to be of some value to, I guess. Yeah. Um, but it's been fun, but it's not all it's of course not all, not always perfect far from it. I think that we, we rarely, we rarely show we've already show the bad times.

Speaker 3 (00:30:41):
I've tried. I've tried to be a bit more real. I put up the video when I was having a hypo you the day. And I think it was four in the morning and I was, I woke up and I was, I was, I, I just brought my phone and I was like, you know what? Like this sucks, but let's do it. Cause this isn't what I had phones. When they, when they work in the morning, he texted me saying, Hey, like, is this, is this what it's like, pretty much like that happens. It happens a lot more than it should. It probably means my sugar control. Isn't where it needs to be. But yeah. So I'm trying to show like a bit more of the, maybe not all the behind the scenes stuff, but you know, but it's just, it's just dogs.

Speaker 4 (00:31:20):
It's not, you know, it's honesty and I, and that's wow. That's one thing with social media, isn't it? But some accounts are very honest. Some are not, but they say like, you know, Instagram and Facebook and whatever is people's highlights real. But when it comes to like diabetes, I think it's important that we do share both sides. Because again, I've always, it's not relatable if it's like, Oh yeah. Every day is perfect and rainbows and unicorns and you know,

Speaker 3 (00:31:47):
No quite literally unicorns, right? Oh yeah. Bolex to your unit who I am like on a meeting in 1944, cause I forgot to borrow this. My sneakers aren't get out of here, but you're right. You're right. Because it's, so it is, it is so, and actually I'm kind of suspicious of that. There's like, cause some people have, have the HBA one CS and that buyers and this HPS five point I'll just shut up the competition. Exactly. I don't want to take it away from because they're clearly doing amazing things to take care of themselves. But I also feel as if, um, and this is something I try and talk about on the connected diabetic and I should probably do a bit more is that, you know, I do, I do like a drink. I do glass the weekends. And part of me, my friends, like I'm not some, I'm not some robot who is just always into fitness and, and, and spends all of his time at the gym far from it.

Speaker 3 (00:32:45):
In fact, my, my friends are probably like, if they end up listening to this, I'll be like kind of covering the miles and snuggling up Jake. I saw you with eight pints of the weekend. How dare you come and preach. So, cause I want to show that side of it too, because we still, we still got to live our lives. Right. We're all human and whatnot. Um, so, so it's all about finding that balance. And I, I try and also, because I want to dispel the myth because a lot of people ask me actually like, Oh, you're diabetic because I mean, you can't drink. I'm like, well, you know, I appreciate your concern, but absolutely not. So, so yeah, it's, it's important to show that I feel, but I, I try and I try and keep the message positive. I try and keep it empowering because the, the reaction I get to a lot of people here, a lot of people here is when I tell them I'm diabetic, they just look at me and I'm like, you don't look diabetic, you really, and all of this. And it's kind of in a way it's, it's in a weird, twisted upside down way. It's kind of flattering whatever,

Speaker 4 (00:33:53):
What a diabetic should look like young.

Speaker 3 (00:33:59):
No, I guess not. But I, I, but it's more than their immediate reaction is it's one of, um, uh, you can't do this, you know, it's one of restriction. It's one of, you know, sort of, so I'm saying, I mean, you can drink, you can do this. Like you kind of have cake and coffee every day for breakfast, not ideal, but you know, if, if, if you were saying

Speaker 4 (00:34:18):
Which isn't ideal for anyone [inaudible],

Speaker 3 (00:34:23):
This was actually, that's actually a very good point. This was actually another, another, uh, reason why I decided that doing, doing something like this, doing, doing some other, doing something like the connected diabetic would be a good idea because I realized that objectively speaking really type one, diabetes is just a bit of a nuisance in that you're not being asked. Yes, you have to test your blood constantly. And multiple injections. If you want to do injections or a tube or pump or whatever it might be. But objectively you're not really being asked to do anything, which is so out of the ordinary I'm technically, and you can eat if you really want that chocolate cake. Yeah. You'll have to dial up 30 units of boldness, but you can still

Speaker 4 (00:35:03):
Chocolate. Yeah. It's worth it.

Speaker 3 (00:35:04):
I love it. Especially if it's chocolate fudge cake, then just 35 units of others. But yeah, so you, you really can like live a perfectly regular, normal, healthy life. You just have to be extra careful with it and, and all around that. You're just being asked to watch your intake. Like, what's your, what's your starchy sugars. Watch your simple figures, watch your, you know, your fats, which, which again, objectively is not a bad thing. Like we all wheel, he wants to live a healthy life. Right? Exactly. It's like a fire followed by me. I'm probably healthier than you are in a way. So, so we, we take, we take better care of our health. I mean, we go, we don't, we don't just monitor. We reactively, proactively manage our health. I think, you know, as well, which, which is nice. I mean, Damien Brown, sometimes I would love to just sit and eat bag off the bag of chips. Right? No, but the thing is, I think technically I could, if, if, if you were some kind of bolus genius and you knew, you knew exactly what to give yourself, what point then you could, but probably best to avoid it. So I'm trying to get the point across that. Yes. I can eat that. Yes. I can drink that. Uh I'm that, I'm that I'm that

Speaker 4 (00:36:13):
It's just a lot, it's just a bigger fault process. Ben, if someone who isn't diverse.

Speaker 3 (00:36:18):
Exactly. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But for the most part, people, uh, people seem to, people tend to get at people. You can, of course the, the, the, the old, the old classics I call you shouldn't eat that. Or did you eat too much sugar? Or we've heard them all before you really fat all of that. But I, it was, I, she used to tell people before I realized it couldn't have been the case, but I used to tell people that I thought I, I caught if he did it as if diabetes is something you can catch. I thought I caught diabetes by eating too much sugar as a kid. Cause I still have, but I've had to temper it now, but I had the sweetest tooth talking like five, five, six sugars in my tea. It was, yeah, it was insane. I don't know why I was just really, really hooked on this stuff, but I was always very small, very skinny, very, you know, I was just this, this nippy little kid, you know, and I was just running around everywhere. And I, I think I, I kept it at Bay for a while by Bernie gets all off. But I honestly thought that was the cause of my condition. I thought, I thought I'd given myself time somehow giving myself type two diabetes in like in, during my childhood, which would have been quite, almost impressive.

Speaker 3 (00:37:28):
That was really that that's dedication. That's consistent. That's consistency in eating crap. Thankfully it wasn't the case.

Speaker 4 (00:37:36):
Uh, so you work, do you work full time?

Speaker 3 (00:37:40):
Yep. I work full time. I've got a job as a copywriter, as an advertising agency. So I, I I'm part time there actually. And then I spend the rest of my rest of my days doing freelance work. So generally creative content advertising, marketing stuff, and anything that needs writing, I'll do it.

Speaker 4 (00:37:57):
You're pretty busy Mesa time. I'd imagine

Speaker 3 (00:37:59):
Very busy. I would say very busy, like a advertising agency life isn't quite like it was in the Madmen glory days. Like they're not quite willing around drinks. Trolley is in the office at 11:00 AM, but we try, you know, we try to, I tried to, I tried to import that policy, but it wasn't getting past HR, but we get it. We get the drinks out fairly early, still. It's still advertising off the rule. So there's always a client lunch to go to, or there's always someone's, when's the team. So there's that, um, I do the occasional, like commercial work as well. Um, uh, which is, which is just a side side hobby to pay the bills. And so I'm on the occasional commercial shoot every now and again, uh,

Speaker 2 (00:38:38):
Casually like, yeah, I'm on the telephone.

Speaker 3 (00:38:43):
You know, what was funny? I was my biggest, my biggest one to date is in a McDonald's advert, which given my new found kinetic diabetic, I think I might actually have to put it on my, on my, on my connected diabetic account just to show the world that like, why I really I'm. Yeah, exactly. Like I'm a fraud, I'm a phone. And it was, it was, I feel the worst part was it was promoting, um, uh, one of their menu items called Nazi limit, uh, which is a local dish. Nasty means rice and Lamar is fat and it is, it is so good though. It's so good, but it is, it's the national dish, it's a breakfast favorite and it is just white rice. That's been boiled in coconut water and served a coconut milk, sorry, and served with some ball, which is like a spicy paste and dried fish and boiled eggs and some nuts. It is delicious. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:39:39):
Smelly.

Speaker 3 (00:39:41):
You surprised like, yeah, it depends how long the has been sitting in that packet, but it comes to you in a lovely little banana leaf parcel and it's, it's just really, really good. Um, but it is, it's one of the, one of these dishes where especially when people start, start their day with a packet of this white, like white boiled coconut rice, Patty, coconut milk, Patty rice, it's spiking spiking, your sugar levels, spiking your insulin levels at the very beginning of the day, which is not a good start. And when you're doing this constantly day in, day out, and then having rice for lunch and inevitably rice for dinner, this is why this country is suffering from diabetes crisis that I say, yeah, exactly. Cited with a side of fat. So I was, I was the, I don't want to, I don't want to say the face of [inaudible], but I was, I was featured in the advertisement for, it feels like

Speaker 2 (00:40:31):
Tight today, go eat this.

Speaker 3 (00:40:35):
You had to put a face to a name holding me. Yeah. But you know, it's not like I'm not that easy. I'm not the spokesperson. I'm not going to eat now. Thankfully. But, um, yeah, so that, that was, that was the last big thing I was in. But it's, it's I say it casually cause I try not to take it too seriously out here because in Malaysia they do a lot of, a lot of production work cause it's quite cheap. And also there's a lot of English speakers out here. So foreign production companies can get like, can get English, speaking, talent, hair quite cheap. So it's, it's not, uh, it's not something I would ever be involved in back in the UK, to be honest, I would never have given myself a chance to do that. But in Malaysia it's, it's, it's a bit, bit more free and easy shall we say? So that takes, that takes up a very, very, very small part of my time. And then otherwise it's just freelance projects, creative work. Uh, but consulting dare. I seek to call myself a consultant sounds almost arrogant because I still believe anybody would pay me to do so. But people, people want me involved on projects every now and again. So I try to oblige where I can. So yeah, very, very busy, um, and fitting, fitting that around my diabetes.

Speaker 2 (00:41:45):
Let me tell ya. That was my next question is how do you, how do you feel like the really busy days? Do you see the difference in your blood sugars?

Speaker 3 (00:41:55):
I think that's a good question. It depends how long the day is, which is, which is as long as a piece of string, if it's like a fairly set date, cause even, even as busy as I am, I still didn't stop. The dates look quite late. I'm lucky that my office state doesn't start till 10:00 AM, which actually usually means I roll out of bed at nine 30.

Speaker 2 (00:42:18):
That's why you were going to say, Oh, I get up at like 6:00 AM.

Speaker 3 (00:42:22):
I keep telling myself, I keep telling myself I'm going to get up at six and do all those things. But it's very, very rare that that actually happens. But on the days that I do, like I have my, I have my routine down pretty nicely. And I'm lucky in that I live very, very close to my office. And at my office, my office is based in the back of a shopping mall in which is my gym. So the gym was just two floors down. So, so on a good day where I have no late night events or whatever my morning tonight routine is pretty much set on a really good day. I would walk down to the, to the, to the shopping center from my house. And in Malaysia we've got 30, 30 degree plus temperatures in the huge, serious humidity. So I walked down in my gym gear with my clothes in my backpack and I get a sweat on even doing that less than 10 minutes, go to the gym, shower and everything, and be up at the top of my desk, feeling fresh and energized and ready to take on the day.

Speaker 3 (00:43:18):
And then I'll go back down at lunchtime just because I can, and then grab lunch from the supermarket downstairs, which is super convenient and then go again to the gym afterwards. So yeah, I mean, I'm making it sound like three hardcore sessions a day, but it really is just I'll I'll, I'll walk down and I'll have like 20 minutes stretching just to get ready for the day. And then my lunchtime session would be like a, like a circuit, some kind of like mini miniature CrossFit, I guess, I guess I'm kind of circuit training. And then at night would be the, the weight session. And then I walk back up the Hill to my place. So I want to really get that that's, that's a really good day, but the be under no illusion that I have not done that for about six months.

Speaker 2 (00:44:01):
Okay. Very honest.

Speaker 3 (00:44:04):
Well, that was the good routine, but where things tend to get a bit, a bit skewed is if I'm going out for like unexpected meals or, uh, staying out later than anticipated. But I, I don't really know how much effect cause stress and blood sugars are strongly linked to, I think like stress tends to raise blood sugar. Uh, and I, I haven't really figured out if there's a link that link for me between the two, if that makes sense. And I'm sure there is, but I haven't really looked into it. Um, but I'm sure that, and plus the fact that I survive on black coffee and so on the day, anyway, my morning sugars are definitely a lot more manageable. I mean, it was just because my, my food is, is pretty strictly managed, but just by virtue of the fact that I work in a shopping mall, so I have the same salad bar option for lunch every day, which I'm not complaining about. Like I don't, I really don't mind that kind of same, same, same thing.

Speaker 2 (00:45:06):
It's I think to make like, it's not like it has to be a routine, but to make diabetes easier. Consistency is, is the one thing that I guess if you can't control your days as it were, so you don't know, you know, how busy or how long your day is going to be, if you can at least make your food consistent.

Speaker 3 (00:45:29):
Yeah. That's exactly it. And I think, I think even during, during the lockdown, when I was, when, I mean, I spent, it was about four and a half months, I think I was working from home and my sugars were the best they've been in months because of just the routine that I had. And I was still, I was still managing to work out. I've got, luckily I've got a treadmill in my apartment. So I got, I got more use out of the treadmill in five days. And they did in five years. I'm not, I'm not much of a cardio guy. I've got plenty of those in my household. None of which were actually clothes, racks, but yeah, this place, but yeah, I I'm, I'm not a cardio guy. So I, I, I got some use out of that and I've got like a little kettlebell.

Speaker 3 (00:46:08):
So I was, so I was still working out and I was kind of dictating when my meals, where you do like big batches of meal prep and just have those for the rest of the day. So yeah. So during lockdown, when I was, when I had my routine, 100% under my control, that's when I found my sugars were the best. So there's no coincidence there, but, but you're right. We shouldn't see it as an absolute need. It's not the routine because it'll drive you crazy. You need some flexibility in your life, but there's, there's no, there's no denying that the more you can control the better your control literally will be.

Speaker 2 (00:46:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Uh, what do you wish someone had told you when you were first diagnosed? So something, you know, now that you wish you'd known 10 years ago.

Speaker 3 (00:46:54):
Okay. This is a good question. Okay. See my, so my answer to this on Instagram and bear with me here. So my, my aunts to this on Instagram, whenever I see anybody posts, uh, cause this is quite a popular question. It's a very good question. It's, it's public the question amongst the community. And if I ever, I see it when I'm scrolling through and I want to leave a comment, my answer is always something along the lines of that diabetes. And in fact, this is the header on my Facebook page for the connected diabetic, but it's like, diabetes will change your life, but it can be for the better, you know, which kind of cheesy. And it's not really something I would say off the cuff, but it's, it's what I say when I think about it. Because like I said before, objectively speaking, like you're just being asked to take better care of your health.

Speaker 3 (00:47:40):
Like, yes, it's a nuisance. I'm like, you ha you have to, and we have all of this, um, uh, all of this dealing with somewhere between what is it, 150 to 200 extra decisions today. That's some stupid number like that. So yeah, it's no one, no one ever wishes for diabetes. Like it's not as if anybody wants monster right now that one's jealous, jealous, and it's not as if anybody needs to be diabetic to take better care of their health. But the fact is I take better care of my health now, knowing that I have to, um, you know, so, so I think if someone had just said, because it was all very doom and gloom, or rather, you know, there is no cure, this is it. This is the rest of your life. It's either these injections or it's a pump, what's a pump or a pump is something that's permanently in certainty.

Speaker 3 (00:48:30):
You're like, wow, it was, yeah, it was all, it was all of that. And so I did wish if it's suddenly down in said, you know what, Jacob diabetes will change your life. I'd probably slap them and say such a positive spin on that. Exactly. It sounds like such a ridiculous, cheesy thing to save. And he says that in real life, but I wish someone had said to me that basically it's going to be okay. You know, it's going to be okay. And actually, if, if you, if you treat, if you treat yourself, treat things right, treat yourself right. It can be better than okay. And you can, you can be better off. So I think, I just wish that someone had said that it's all gonna be all right. Um, which a couple of people, a couple of them did. They were like, you can live a normal life, but, and there's always that, but it was never, it was never an, it was never like you can live a normal life and you'll have to do this.

Speaker 3 (00:49:23):
It was the only way you can live a normal life. But it was always that kind of very restrictive notion that I had that being type one diabetic made me feel. So I just wish someone had said, look, it's, it's, it's going to be a bowling. It's going to be a bit annoying. And like, yeah, you're going to have to get used to the needles, but serious. Well, there I go again saying, but you see the needles and you'll learn, like you will learn hopefully sooner rather than later, but it took me awhile, but you'll learn sooner rather than later that it, it, it can be, if not a good thing, it can be a force for good, at least. Yeah,

Speaker 2 (00:50:02):
Absolutely. I think I, I can't think of what I call it. Oh, diabetes made me healthier. I think I did a blog on my site and people are like, well, that's nice, but I was like a bit of it so much sense, but it absolutely did because I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't think twice about eating loads of crap. If I, if I wasn't diabetic, I've always been into my fitness, but what I train as hard as I do would prioritize exercise. Like I do. I highly doubt it. You know? It's.

Speaker 3 (00:50:32):
Yeah. Actually I was going to say, I was going to ask you when, when was it that you started getting really into PT? Like when did you start your fitness, your professional fitness journey?

Speaker 2 (00:50:42):
Um, so I became a PT for five, five years ago. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know where time goes at the moment. I have no concept of time, right.

Speaker 3 (00:50:55):
To time as a social construct. I mean,

Speaker 2 (00:50:58):
But yeah, that was all free. How much exercise and fitness helped me. And, but I felt there was a gap in that you kind of get signposted a bit when, when you're diagnosed and they tell you you've got to eat. Right. So they send you to dietician. Um, and I don't know about you, but I kept being told only have to exercise. Like it's gonna be really beneficial if you exercise, but all right, who's going to tell me how I do that with diabetes. Like if there was just a real gap there. So I, I did my PT qualification and then I went on and did my level four. So I could specialize in helping people with diabetes. Um, because I just felt that there wasn't that like, you know, I was, I was okay. I was already into fitness. I was already, um, you know, a bit of, a bit of a gym goer and stuff like that. And I kind of figured it all out on my own. Um, but if you, if you're not active, if you've never stepped foot in a gym, if your, you know, if you're new to working out and you've got diabetes and you're being told to exercise, it's like, where am I meant to start?

Speaker 3 (00:52:04):
Yeah, no, that's very, very true because there was so much to consider, like when, um, there was so much to consider around and it's so confusing still with like the fact that anaerobic will, will tend to lower. Your anaerobic will tend to raise your blood sugar and aerobic training will have a lower it and so on with deliver down for everything. There was a lot of very, it's not quite as clear cut as yes, exercise is good for you because if you have no idea how your sugars are responding or like how they might respond might actually do more harm than good. That's good. I think there is still like that there is still that gap, um, for sure. And, and, and normalizing, normalizing, like, you know, type one and, and fitness and whatnot. Um, I think a huge thing that a lot of, uh, a lot of people are doing a lot of good work yourself included to rectify.

Speaker 2 (00:52:57):
Okay. So if you're willing to share,

Speaker 3 (00:53:01):
Oh, okay. This sounds interesting.

Speaker 2 (00:53:03):
Do you have an embarrassing diabetes related story or if not an embarrassing one, just a funny one.

Speaker 3 (00:53:10):
Oh God, I've got a couple of she. Yes. This, this is, well, it's a topic I've been, I've been, uh, I've done a couple of videos for it. It's a topic that I've been sort of wanting to do more of for my, my own channel. And that is I'm calling them the insulins interviews. Right. I, what, I get a bit personal and talk about stories that aren't anything to do with food or fitness. Um, I think that was, I think almost horror, horrifying, horrifying at all, but my mother, the one that sticks with me and one that sticks with me and that she was part of, um, this is, this only happened at the beginning of last year. And it was part of all this kind of behavior that I, that I exhibited that if you like was part of the reason why I felt starting this account, it would be so good for me because it would teach me to be more accountable.

Speaker 3 (00:53:58):
That is like, I, I went to a, I went to a house party, uh, with a few friends and the person who invited me, um, didn't know I was diabetic. I just, I just kind of kept it from them. I didn't really see any reason for them to know. And I tested my blood before I went out. Um, but because I was so self conscious of, of, of being diabetic, I didn't take any of my medicine with me. Like, I, I, I just left the house without my test or without my just, just stupidly, just, just pretended for a night that I wasn't eating diabetic. Yeah. And so, so I guess this party, and everything's fine. And you know, that being a part of being a birth date as a buffet going, and, you know, with lots of seriously unhealthy thing, things that Taylor and I was stopping at a house that I was, I was starving and I had a couple of drinks and I was like, right, this is, this is all mine now. So I just feel, I just filled my boots and didn't pay paid no heats my conditioner. I was like, yeah, you know, I'm drinking. And actually alcohol lowers blood sugar.

Speaker 3 (00:54:55):
And then, and then I went, I went to the toilet and I could, so this is the embarrassing part of it. The fact that I'm saying this out loud is that I could literally smell the sugar in my, in my urine. You know, it was, uh, it was really obvious. And I was like, Oh, crap, I've really got to go this way. So I bolted out the bathroom and like, uh, they were all heading out from exhibits, like pre drinks at someone's apartment. And then they were all heading out to the clubs and I just ran out. I said, Hey, I said a really hurried goodbye. I was like, yeah, sorry, can't be here. I've got to go. And just kind of left it, left them all floundering in my way. Cause I got a cow got into a taxi and went straight home, testing my blood.

Speaker 3 (00:55:32):
And it was like 21.3 or something. Right. And so it was two in the morning and I texted, I texted my friend and I was like, Hey, just so you know, this is why I had to go home. And she was like, I didn't get, I didn't give a fuck about that. Like, I don't care about that. Like you just, I don't care that you had to leave cause of this. I care because you'd never, you didn't say anything to me about first place. Uh, there were, there was very annoyed that like they had to find out from someone else as to why I bailed in the middle of the night, just because I hadn't been up front. So it it's, it's not a, it's not an embarrassing nor, uh, nor funny. I guess the reason I chose that story that always comes up to me is because it was almost like a cautionary tale, you know?

Speaker 3 (00:56:14):
So if there's anything that anybody takes, who's listening to this podcast right now, it's like never be ashamed or embarrassed or, or, or try and hide things or to cover them up that you, you know, don't, don't dive into a party, waving your incident pen around and like, look what I've gone in fighting to inject people. They do, don't be that guy either, but the don't don't ever compromise. Uh, don't ever compromise like your, your health first and foremost and also whatever, whatever you think people might think of it, uh, you'll health comes first, always. So yeah. If anybody gets anything out of listening to me, I would say absolutely. Also,

Speaker 2 (00:56:55):
Um, I mean I used to be the same and you know, you used to try and hide the fact I was diabetic and I suppose it's easier for a go going out, being diabetic. Cause girls always take a bag anyway. So

Speaker 3 (00:57:10):
I've got, I've got my man bag. I've got my little there's little satchels, which whichever one's taken to festivals these days, I've got one of those, my tiny little advocate for make it cool. I've I've tried, I've done my best, but I need, but it's like, I need one for different outfits. Like my little idea, this bag doesn't go well when I'm wearing a suit,

Speaker 2 (00:57:30):
Grow your collection of mom bucks.

Speaker 3 (00:57:33):
Exactly. But yeah, always very jealous of you guys having things to, to carry things in.

Speaker 2 (00:57:38):
All right. Yeah. Um, but yeah, yeah, no, I was exactly the same used to try and kind of hide it and things. But what I think what I've learned is actually people really have a lot of respect for the fact for it. Especially if they didn't know if I like that, you're like say normal or you're so busy or like you do this and you work and you're a mum and you know, like I had no idea, but you were also managing this. Um, so it's like, we're trying to hide it. And actually when people know, they're like, wow.

Speaker 3 (00:58:09):
Yeah, no, that's, that's obviously right. But it's, it's interesting. You bring that point up because I feel the same way, but it's, it's almost like, well, yeah, I, I, I have to do all of these things and be diabetic. I have to. So I can't be a full time diabetic. Like no one's paying you to be that, you know, like we, we, of course we have to live the rest of our lives, but it's, it's, it's nice. It's nice when people understand or they recognize that it is like, it is literally another full time job. It's just a shame and no one is paying us for it. But yeah, it's, it's nice that they pick up on that. But at the same time, it's like, well, well, yeah. Well, what did you think? I'm not, I'm not, I'm not an invalid. I can still do stuff, but yeah. It's nice when people, um, it's nice when people, uh, uh, yeah, exactly. Appreciate it. And even more so when they're curious, like, I don't mind explaining, I don't mind explaining to as many people, as many people who have to ask me, like what I go through, what my routine is. Like, if anything, I get very self conscious about talking about it. Cause I think it's, um, I'm still actually in some weird ways, I wouldn't say embarrassed, but I'm still very conscious, um, about it. Um, yes, exactly. That is exactly it.

Speaker 2 (00:59:24):
And I try and simplify everything so much, but it did mean for make sense and I'd be like, sorry, I just don't want to like go long winded and boy.

Speaker 3 (00:59:30):
Yes, exactly. It's an unconscious. I think that's what I'm conscious of is like, you know, I'm like, how can you, cause you know where like, well we live with this every day. So this is, this is normal to us now. But like it, so this must be boring. You actually, no, not at all. I, I never have to think about what am I, one of my very good friends out here that he's a personal trainer and he's big into, into nutrition. And even he was like, Holy crap. I had no idea that every mealtime was this math for you. Yeah. You're juggling numbers like you do. And it was like, yeah, it was like every single time. Yep. So every time I want something which has got more than 10 grams of carbs in it, like every time I called him,

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
You look at food as numbers now. Like

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
I think that's exactly it. It's like, I can't think about that. You see the banana in the fridge, that's just numbers, apples, numbers, all of it. It's like, it's like seeing the matrix, you know, all of this green, all of this green code in front of me, like, eh that's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Do. Um, but I went previous state and it was like totally involuntary. But if I went out to eat, so if I was sat in a restaurant, I would literally be like, looking around, working out what people's insulin dose would be if they were diving. I wouldn't just work out my ane. I'd be like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Oh, I actually want to do that. May. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Yeah. That's the sticky topic.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Ooh. Look at you, mr. Big dog with his child cook. I hate that was, I mean, it sounds like something that I would do, but I just hate, I hate numbers that much, that I try not to think about. Anybody's besides my head it's bad enough. It's bad enough that you're right. It's it changes the way you look at even the way that I, even when I'm shopping, like I grabbed food, the first thing I look at is, is my eyes go straight to the nutritional information, all that kind of thing, straight away, just bang. I know exactly where it is and what it is. Yeah. It's an interesting way of looking at the world.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Um, so coming to the end of your little interview today, is that anything else you would like to share about you? Is there any like top tips, any advice, anything at all that you'd like to say?

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Ooh, good question. I still feel somehow like somewhat under-qualified to be giving tips and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
You're living with it. I feel you are as qualified as anyone else.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Yeah. Yeah. I guess in a way we all know about as much as each other and in some, in some way, just so more of a spend more time studying than others, which I definitely don't, um, tips. I would just say, like, I think we've touched upon this, like without needing to feel like you have to have everything every minute of your routine mapped out like consistency key, and not just in managing your sugars, but also managing your mental approach to dealing with diabetes too. So as much time, like life, life, I mean, you've got a toddler, you know what it's like, you know, life gets in the way all the time, unexpected times, but the more that you can, I guess the more that you can control the more, but the better your control will be the more you, the more you can control, the more you can control, I suppose. Um, so yeah, so without falling into this trap of complete like meal prep, perfection, and knowing exactly where you'll be at any given time of day and whatnot, just, just as much as you can do to anticipate and prepare for that, um, really, really helps. So yeah, consistency is key. And I think that this is, and this is one of your favorite sense, which I'll just steal from you and passive as my own.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
And it's just cute.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
The last time someone's quoting it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Yeah. They gave a frame it, uh, cause, uh, I'm uh, I might do the same, but it's just keep moving a message with it. I mean, that's, that's why, that's why kinetic comes from this idea of motion and energy and it is, it's just keep moving, um, in any way, shape or form, like you don't have to be like an Olympic lifter also. You're not an Olympic rower, you know, you don't have to, you don't have to run, run 10 miles a day every day. Just, just take the stairs sometimes. Uh, just like, I think one of your, one of your great tips is walk from the back of the car park.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Yeah. We will create a park in the same place.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Just walk at the bucket's an extra five, not even five minutes and that's an extra hundred, 200 steps, you know? So, so just, just keep moving and find, and again, this is, this is something which some would use, which I've heard you say, which ties into this. And then it is just an find, find a way to move, which you enjoy. Because if you start, if you sign up for sessions with a PT and you know, they're going to kick your ass and you're not really looking forward to it, you're going to give up and stop compensating. It'd be absolutely miserable. But if you find something, whether it's racket sports or swimming or walking or running or jumping pole dancing, whatever the hell it might be, uh, just, just find it and embrace it, like enjoy it. And you'll find that chains on unlike dance around the lounge, if that is your

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Yeah. Go for it. If it makes you happy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
I don't, I didn't care to admit how many times during lockdown I did that, but it was quite a few. We all had our, we all had our vices and our saviors. I think we all had very, very different coping mechanisms to get through that. Yeah, I think, I think as well, but yeah, my tips are just like, yeah, just enjoy, enjoy, move, find, fund, find a movement that you enjoy. Um don't and, and I guess, so that, that, that was too, we'll go for it. We'll go for a round fee. My top three tips. My third is that it's just be kind to yourself a little bit, which is something I really struggled with a lot of the time, uh, which, which, which, uh, this is a different conversation podcast entirely, but like, you know, about the whole thing about mental health as I wiggle it out,

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
You are very welcome to come back. We can do this again.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Um, yes. To the whole mental health thing. Like, I mean, I struggled with it with, or without diabetes. Um, and especially being kind to myself, it's something which I've, uh, struggled to do in the past and still do to an extent, but, but in terms of, uh, like within the diabetic context. So I, I would really beat myself up if I got like a high reading on my meter and I wouldn't want,

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
And I'm so glad you just said hi though, because that's another thing I choked that is we see them as good or bad, not high or low or MRA.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're still not great, but yeah, but you're right. There is objectively again, no such thing as a bad number. It just tells you what you have to do next. Right. So if I, if I saw a high number, I was very much in that state. I was very much like, this is terrible. This is bad. This is not where it's supposed to be. So I beat myself up and then I wouldn't want to test again for like at the beginning, it was days two, three days without testing, right.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
Quite a, quite a strong start to, uh, like diabetes burnout is about knowing or thinking you're going to get a bad number, therefore not looking.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
No. Exactly. And I, I fell back into that trap. And so it took me a long time and I'm still learning it, but I'm much, much better now than I was, but it's just learning to be okay, be kind to yourself, give yourself a break. Like we deal with this. There were no days off, there were no breaks. Like this is something that you have to be unfortunately, constantly on top of. But you know, if, if you see a high number, it's not a bad number, it just means that you have to make it lower. How'd you make it though. You take your list and just, just correct it. Just be kind to yourself, give yourself a little break, be patient. Um, and especially if, if diabetes is something which is really new to you, then you're going to spend a lot of time on trial and error, you know, figuring out what works and what doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
And you're going to get through this experimental phase learning what affects different things have on your body. And so, um, during that time, especially, you're going to get some results, which will shock you. And I still do, uh, I I'll have a dessert, which, which, you know, I'll swear, which is which I swear looks the most sugar. We think of him from my mouth now. And then an hour later, I'm on the floor grasping, grasping it, sugary things, because I ever did it because I had, because I had a workout that day, maybe my metabolism was still up, so, okay. I'm going to add a bonus. Fourth tip is just to cut to me. And that is that it follows on from being kind to yourself and in doing so you have to realize that no one is perfect. Like no one, despite what you see on Instagram, on social media, no, Instagram is a wonderful unbelieve. In fact, that would be my fifth tip is get on social media or follow me.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
Let's go for five. Let's keep going.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
The fi the fi if he had a fifth tip is, is, is, is be curious. The fifth tip is be curious, like do as much research as you, if not research, I did, you don't have to study this and become like an authority on the DDS. Cause we still can't figure it out. We don't know what they know. No one's expecting me to come up with a cure, but trying to understand this as much as you can. And even if you don't want to understand it from like a nutrition or a, or a biological standpoint, cause some people are into that. Cause they're studying for in these fields, at least understand what other people are going through and how they live their lives. And again, on Instagram, you, you, you do often get like a very filtered view, but even still, I think within the community that we have on Instagram, it's so like enlightening.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
And if this is going to sound cheesy, but it's very enlightening, very inspiring, very, very, uh, very lots of positive affirmation on there. And people do talk, do talk very candidly about the, the struggles that the birder, the, the, the, the tough days are mental health. So say my fit, I kind of move on. My fourth. One was my fourth is no, one's perfect. Uh, even even the most popular, uh, accounts on Instagram, even, even the ones who have, who have built themselves up into it, into wonderful figures of authority and I've done. So by making it look as if they've completely conquered diabetes, I can, I can assure you. They haven't cracked it yet. No one's to, even if they look, even if they're doing a damn good, even if the HBA one C is 5.39, and then by like, even if they're doing that, like full all power to them full of respect, but I can guarantee they've got some bad days too. So don't, don't get sucked into the trap of believing that everyone else is handling this any better or worse than you are. And, and yeah, fifth tip is just be curious, like follow people on Instagram, uh, look up your, your local, your local authority on diabetes. A lot of places have one, uh, talk to people, ask people, you know, just, just take an interest, take an active interest in your, in your health, in your condition kind of things. Yeah. I think there's about, I've forgotten what they all are, but there's my top five tips.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
It's okay. Oh, w when I put a podcast out, I'll also write them down.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Excellent. Please send them back to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some of the battles I'm like, Oh, these some good once you get these from,

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
Oh, well, thank you so, so much for really honest interview and yeah, you've definitely, definitely given some awesome advice and I'm sure you are inspiring plenty. Your Instagram account is awesome. Says kinetic diabetic for anyone who is not already following Jacob.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Thank you guys. Shout out. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
Yeah. Thank you. Um, and yeah, you are welcome back. Anytime.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
That would be awesome. Actually. I think I'd really like that. We'll come up with a, we'll come up with an interesting topic. Maybe one of our mental health, but yeah, I think it's been wonderful. Charlotte, thank you so much for having me pleasure to meet you. I'm actually kind of technically meet you from all the way across the world. I'll be back in the UK in a few months, actually. So I'll be a little closer. I'll be a little closer to home.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
Then your insulin regime will change again because of the temperature and stuff like

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
That. Yeah, exactly. I'll need like double a dose. Cause out here when there's humid in his, in his human climbs, it's, uh, you know, the, the, the needs are less, but, um, at least, at least at home, I've got to say, I'll have the NHS against while I get my medicine paid for, which is always a privilege. Yeah, exactly. Unless it's been, unless it's been torn to shreds, but by the time they get back, but that's a political conversation for another time and another, another channel, I think not the diabetic and healthy podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Oh, well again, thank you so much. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Speed again, show have a great weekend. Take care. Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Wow. What an ice guy. I really hope everyone enjoyed. That really was a fantastic interview. Had fun with that one and yeah, some really awesome advice from Jacob verse. So if you don't already, please do go and give a kinetic diabetic, uh, follow on Instagram, uh, talking to Vince to Graham, another social media reminder, please do check out diabetic and how feet on Facebook on Instagram. And if you are enjoying the podcast, please do leave a review and hit subscribe so that you never miss an episode as always thank you so much for listening. And until next time, stay safe and stay healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
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